Comments on: Waiting for results http://www.vtiger.com/blogs/2007/02/14/waiting-for-results/ it's a vtiger life! Mon, 08 Sep 2008 07:00:29 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.1.2 By: Carlos Ribeiro http://www.vtiger.com/blogs/2007/02/14/waiting-for-results/#comment-3609 Carlos Ribeiro Thu, 15 Feb 2007 09:30:32 +0000 http://www.vtiger.com/blogs/2007/02/14/waiting-for-results/#comment-3609 Hi Ritchie. First of all my sincere thanks for all the effort you guys are putting into 5.0.3. It's not an easy feat at all. I fell that I was one of the guys who gave you the "harsh feedback" you mention; all I can say now it that I just meant to be honest. Managing a project of the size and dimension of VTiger is surely very hard. As it is now, the project is also very hard for us outsider to contribute. That's why I insisted so much on you guys moving on to "managing" VTiger development, instead of "doing" the development yourselves. I'm really happy to see that the you guys got the point, and are going a big step forward in your effort. There's a lot of talk about leadership in software. Most of the times we think of it as a glamourous thing - of great people like Linus Torvalds, or Larry Wall, or Guido van Rossum; of defining new architectures; and, why not?, how our product will change the world. But there's the practical side of it. Keeping the bug tracker clean, the docs clean, running tests and making the builds - that's the ugly stuff that nobody wants to do, but that's what makes a project successful. That's where a central authority really makes the difference. Linux is thirving not because Linus Torvalds coding abilities, no matter how good he is; Linux stands today because Linus has been for +10 years the one who revise patches, merging things that make the most difference, and keeping the entire thing clean and consistent. Thanks you guys for all that you are doing. It's been a hell of a ride, I'm sure. But if you get it right, victory will be on your side. Just keep going. Hi Ritchie. First of all my sincere thanks for all the effort you guys are putting into 5.0.3. It’s not an easy feat at all. I fell that I was one of the guys who gave you the “harsh feedback” you mention; all I can say now it that I just meant to be honest.

Managing a project of the size and dimension of VTiger is surely very hard. As it is now, the project is also very hard for us outsider to contribute. That’s why I insisted so much on you guys moving on to “managing” VTiger development, instead of “doing” the development yourselves. I’m really happy to see that the you guys got the point, and are going a big step forward in your effort.

There’s a lot of talk about leadership in software. Most of the times we think of it as a glamourous thing - of great people like Linus Torvalds, or Larry Wall, or Guido van Rossum; of defining new architectures; and, why not?, how our product will change the world. But there’s the practical side of it. Keeping the bug tracker clean, the docs clean, running tests and making the builds - that’s the ugly stuff that nobody wants to do, but that’s what makes a project successful. That’s where a central authority really makes the difference. Linux is thirving not because Linus Torvalds coding abilities, no matter how good he is; Linux stands today because Linus has been for +10 years the one who revise patches, merging things that make the most difference, and keeping the entire thing clean and consistent.

Thanks you guys for all that you are doing. It’s been a hell of a ride, I’m sure. But if you get it right, victory will be on your side. Just keep going.

]]> By: richie http://www.vtiger.com/blogs/2007/02/14/waiting-for-results/#comment-3619 richie Thu, 15 Feb 2007 13:36:04 +0000 http://www.vtiger.com/blogs/2007/02/14/waiting-for-results/#comment-3619 Hello Carlos! No offence taken Carlos. vtiger is as much yours as mine. So there is no offence at all taken. In fact, I did not even think of that comment in mind, I was just stating it as I felt at that moment in time. About outsiders contributing, yes, we are still not that easy to contribute to. This will change from the next few releases. Thanks for the encouragement. Need all that is available. At times, it is really really painful and disgusting. But then, I do realise that this is a very very vital stage which demands these steps so that vtiger becomes the standard. This pain is mandatory and we will go through it. Hello Carlos!
No offence taken Carlos. vtiger is as much yours as mine. So there is no offence at all taken. In fact, I did not even think of that comment in mind, I was just stating it as I felt at that moment in time.

About outsiders contributing, yes, we are still not that easy to contribute to. This will change from the next few releases.

Thanks for the encouragement. Need all that is available.
At times, it is really really painful and disgusting. But then, I do realise that this is a very very vital stage which demands these steps so that vtiger becomes the standard.

This pain is mandatory and we will go through it.

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