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	<title>Comments on: Busy Holidays - 5.0.4 update</title>
	<link>http://www.vtiger.com/blogs/2007/12/18/busy-holidays-504-update/</link>
	<description>it's a vtiger life!</description>
	<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 14:42:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: stufe</title>
		<link>http://www.vtiger.com/blogs/2007/12/18/busy-holidays-504-update/#comment-54450</link>
		<author>stufe</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 22:17:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.vtiger.com/blogs/2007/12/18/busy-holidays-504-update/#comment-54450</guid>
					<description>yeah, super!!
thenk you for all
have good work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah, super!!<br />
thenk you for all<br />
have good work!</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
		<link>http://www.vtiger.com/blogs/2007/12/18/busy-holidays-504-update/#comment-54458</link>
		<author>Ken</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 23:38:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.vtiger.com/blogs/2007/12/18/busy-holidays-504-update/#comment-54458</guid>
					<description>Thanks for the update, and for all your hard work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the update, and for all your hard work.</p>
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		<title>By: Jom</title>
		<link>http://www.vtiger.com/blogs/2007/12/18/busy-holidays-504-update/#comment-54460</link>
		<author>Jom</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 00:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.vtiger.com/blogs/2007/12/18/busy-holidays-504-update/#comment-54460</guid>
					<description>Great.  I was hoping for it to be released before Xmas but, I understand that releasing a stable product is more important than an early release.

Brilliant work. Happy Xmas to you all !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great.  I was hoping for it to be released before Xmas but, I understand that releasing a stable product is more important than an early release.</p>
<p>Brilliant work. Happy Xmas to you all !</p>
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		<title>By: ricky</title>
		<link>http://www.vtiger.com/blogs/2007/12/18/busy-holidays-504-update/#comment-54492</link>
		<author>ricky</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 04:17:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.vtiger.com/blogs/2007/12/18/busy-holidays-504-update/#comment-54492</guid>
					<description>Stable is most important. Thanks for all of your hard work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stable is most important. Thanks for all of your hard work!</p>
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		<title>By: acidsun</title>
		<link>http://www.vtiger.com/blogs/2007/12/18/busy-holidays-504-update/#comment-54525</link>
		<author>acidsun</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 09:51:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.vtiger.com/blogs/2007/12/18/busy-holidays-504-update/#comment-54525</guid>
					<description>Thanks for update !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for update !</p>
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		<title>By: Vincent</title>
		<link>http://www.vtiger.com/blogs/2007/12/18/busy-holidays-504-update/#comment-54527</link>
		<author>Vincent</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 10:09:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.vtiger.com/blogs/2007/12/18/busy-holidays-504-update/#comment-54527</guid>
					<description>Thank you for the info. One reason more to be next year :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the info. One reason more to be next year <img src='http://blogs.vtiger.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.vtiger.com/blogs/2007/12/18/busy-holidays-504-update/#comment-54535</link>
		<author>David</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 11:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.vtiger.com/blogs/2007/12/18/busy-holidays-504-update/#comment-54535</guid>
					<description>Thanks for the update. I agree, &lt;strong&gt;stable &lt;/strong&gt;is better (plus, putting out a "stable" release at Xmas would have been a pun overload).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the update. I agree, <strong>stable </strong>is better (plus, putting out a &#8220;stable&#8221; release at Xmas would have been a pun overload).</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://www.vtiger.com/blogs/2007/12/18/busy-holidays-504-update/#comment-54559</link>
		<author>Tom</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:37:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.vtiger.com/blogs/2007/12/18/busy-holidays-504-update/#comment-54559</guid>
					<description>Thank you for the update!
I know you are all doing your very best! 
I'm just disappointed because I wanted it so much before x-mas, to have the possibility to work on it over the holiday shutdown... I know, that's my personal problem, but I'm still kind of sad, sorry for that.

Keep on going...
Tom</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the update!<br />
I know you are all doing your very best!<br />
I&#8217;m just disappointed because I wanted it so much before x-mas, to have the possibility to work on it over the holiday shutdown&#8230; I know, that&#8217;s my personal problem, but I&#8217;m still kind of sad, sorry for that.</p>
<p>Keep on going&#8230;<br />
Tom</p>
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		<title>By: Torsten Zenk</title>
		<link>http://www.vtiger.com/blogs/2007/12/18/busy-holidays-504-update/#comment-54594</link>
		<author>Torsten Zenk</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 00:19:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.vtiger.com/blogs/2007/12/18/busy-holidays-504-update/#comment-54594</guid>
					<description>&lt;strong&gt; ~__~ I HEAR THE VTIGER BELL RiNgInG ~__~ &lt;/strong&gt;

Great work an d Merry Christmas to all at vTiger!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong> ~__~ I HEAR THE VTIGER BELL RiNgInG ~__~ </strong></p>
<p>Great work an d Merry Christmas to all at vTiger!</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://www.vtiger.com/blogs/2007/12/18/busy-holidays-504-update/#comment-54633</link>
		<author>Ben</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 10:30:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.vtiger.com/blogs/2007/12/18/busy-holidays-504-update/#comment-54633</guid>
					<description>Good news! I hope that there will be a migration possible from 5.04 RC2 to 5.04 stable???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good news! I hope that there will be a migration possible from 5.04 RC2 to 5.04 stable???</p>
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		<title>By: Henrik Vogt</title>
		<link>http://www.vtiger.com/blogs/2007/12/18/busy-holidays-504-update/#comment-54746</link>
		<author>Henrik Vogt</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 09:33:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.vtiger.com/blogs/2007/12/18/busy-holidays-504-update/#comment-54746</guid>
					<description>Great news and many, many thanks.

I wish you all a merry X-Mas and a happy new year.
I am looking forward to implement the new 5.0.4 version.

But as my forerunners already posted: Stable is most important ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great news and many, many thanks.</p>
<p>I wish you all a merry X-Mas and a happy new year.<br />
I am looking forward to implement the new 5.0.4 version.</p>
<p>But as my forerunners already posted: Stable is most important <img src='http://blogs.vtiger.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: MTC</title>
		<link>http://www.vtiger.com/blogs/2007/12/18/busy-holidays-504-update/#comment-54752</link>
		<author>MTC</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 11:15:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.vtiger.com/blogs/2007/12/18/busy-holidays-504-update/#comment-54752</guid>
					<description>Hey, that's really good news again!
Wish you a merry x-mas despite all the remaining work :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, that&#8217;s really good news again!<br />
Wish you a merry x-mas despite all the remaining work <img src='http://blogs.vtiger.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Robert Cotran</title>
		<link>http://www.vtiger.com/blogs/2007/12/18/busy-holidays-504-update/#comment-56337</link>
		<author>Robert Cotran</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 13:32:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.vtiger.com/blogs/2007/12/18/busy-holidays-504-update/#comment-56337</guid>
					<description>We are anxiously awaiting the release of 5.0.4.  We are going to be doing a completely new install and we're waiting for 5.0.4 to do all the customization.  Looking forward to trying it out.  

Thanks for all the hard work vTiger team!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are anxiously awaiting the release of 5.0.4.  We are going to be doing a completely new install and we&#8217;re waiting for 5.0.4 to do all the customization.  Looking forward to trying it out.  </p>
<p>Thanks for all the hard work vTiger team!</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.vtiger.com/blogs/2007/12/18/busy-holidays-504-update/#comment-56473</link>
		<author>John</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 17:06:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.vtiger.com/blogs/2007/12/18/busy-holidays-504-update/#comment-56473</guid>
					<description>1st week of jan is over in a minute or two.

Any news on when 5.0.4 is out?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1st week of jan is over in a minute or two.</p>
<p>Any news on when 5.0.4 is out?</p>
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		<title>By: Sreenivas Kanumuru</title>
		<link>http://www.vtiger.com/blogs/2007/12/18/busy-holidays-504-update/#comment-56482</link>
		<author>Sreenivas Kanumuru</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 19:00:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.vtiger.com/blogs/2007/12/18/busy-holidays-504-update/#comment-56482</guid>
					<description>John, Robert: Sorry for the inconvenience.
We are almost there! We will be announcing the release  on Monday/Tuesday. 

Sreenivas
vtiger Team</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, Robert: Sorry for the inconvenience.<br />
We are almost there! We will be announcing the release  on Monday/Tuesday. </p>
<p>Sreenivas<br />
vtiger Team</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://www.vtiger.com/blogs/2007/12/18/busy-holidays-504-update/#comment-56483</link>
		<author>Robert</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 19:01:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.vtiger.com/blogs/2007/12/18/busy-holidays-504-update/#comment-56483</guid>
					<description>That's amazing news!  Thanks guys and gals!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s amazing news!  Thanks guys and gals!</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://www.vtiger.com/blogs/2007/12/18/busy-holidays-504-update/#comment-56503</link>
		<author>Tom</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 23:23:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.vtiger.com/blogs/2007/12/18/busy-holidays-504-update/#comment-56503</guid>
					<description>Hi guys,

I can't await 5.0.4... but it really helped me to look into the "Bug Tracker"!
You can see the progress day by day:
http://trac.vtiger.com/cgi-bin/trac.cgi/roadmap

Bye,
Tom</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi guys,</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t await 5.0.4&#8230; but it really helped me to look into the &#8220;Bug Tracker&#8221;!<br />
You can see the progress day by day:<br />
<a href="http://trac.vtiger.com/cgi-bin/trac.cgi/roadmap" rel="nofollow">http://trac.vtiger.com/cgi-bin/trac.cgi/roadmap</a></p>
<p>Bye,<br />
Tom</p>
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		<title>By: Victor</title>
		<link>http://www.vtiger.com/blogs/2007/12/18/busy-holidays-504-update/#comment-56642</link>
		<author>Victor</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 03:16:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.vtiger.com/blogs/2007/12/18/busy-holidays-504-update/#comment-56642</guid>
					<description>After a rough first try with vt 4.2, i have installed 5.0.3 a week ago, now with a dedicated resources to the proyect, so, do you recommnd to install 5.0.4 instead?, i´m using es_es, lang pack,

thanks in advance for any comment related

Victor</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After a rough first try with vt 4.2, i have installed 5.0.3 a week ago, now with a dedicated resources to the proyect, so, do you recommnd to install 5.0.4 instead?, i´m using es_es, lang pack,</p>
<p>thanks in advance for any comment related</p>
<p>Victor</p>
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		<title>By: redarmy</title>
		<link>http://www.vtiger.com/blogs/2007/12/18/busy-holidays-504-update/#comment-56948</link>
		<author>redarmy</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 12:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.vtiger.com/blogs/2007/12/18/busy-holidays-504-update/#comment-56948</guid>
					<description>Any news about 5.0.4 ?
I see in trac roadmap 5.0.4 still have 40 Active tickets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any news about 5.0.4 ?<br />
I see in trac roadmap 5.0.4 still have 40 Active tickets.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://www.vtiger.com/blogs/2007/12/18/busy-holidays-504-update/#comment-56967</link>
		<author>Robert</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 14:20:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.vtiger.com/blogs/2007/12/18/busy-holidays-504-update/#comment-56967</guid>
					<description>I'm hoping today is the day. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m hoping today is the day. <img src='http://blogs.vtiger.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: dagr</title>
		<link>http://www.vtiger.com/blogs/2007/12/18/busy-holidays-504-update/#comment-56974</link>
		<author>dagr</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 15:41:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.vtiger.com/blogs/2007/12/18/busy-holidays-504-update/#comment-56974</guid>
					<description>Everyone, you can check on the status of the release validation here: &lt;a href="http://trac.vtiger.com/cgi-bin/trac.cgi/roadmap" rel="nofollow"&gt;roadmap&lt;/a&gt; There are currently 33 active tickets open (read: 33 bugs to fix). If you click on the "33" number, you will see the detail of what's left to do. Note that this number of open tickets will fluctuate up and down as validation continues.

I'm not part of the team, but my best guess as an outsider would say that 5.0.4 will be here in around 5-10 days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone, you can check on the status of the release validation here: <a href="http://trac.vtiger.com/cgi-bin/trac.cgi/roadmap" rel="nofollow">roadmap</a> There are currently 33 active tickets open (read: 33 bugs to fix). If you click on the &#8220;33&#8243; number, you will see the detail of what&#8217;s left to do. Note that this number of open tickets will fluctuate up and down as validation continues.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not part of the team, but my best guess as an outsider would say that 5.0.4 will be here in around 5-10 days.</p>
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		<title>By: john</title>
		<link>http://www.vtiger.com/blogs/2007/12/18/busy-holidays-504-update/#comment-56981</link>
		<author>john</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 17:07:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.vtiger.com/blogs/2007/12/18/busy-holidays-504-update/#comment-56981</guid>
					<description>There is a chance that those bugs are fixed but haven't been closed yet....

It'd be disappointing if it was that long being as they said monday or tuesday. I'm not sure they've ever announced a release date that was even vaguely correct!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a chance that those bugs are fixed but haven&#8217;t been closed yet&#8230;.</p>
<p>It&#8217;d be disappointing if it was that long being as they said monday or tuesday. I&#8217;m not sure they&#8217;ve ever announced a release date that was even vaguely correct!</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://www.vtiger.com/blogs/2007/12/18/busy-holidays-504-update/#comment-57022</link>
		<author>Tom</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 21:35:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.vtiger.com/blogs/2007/12/18/busy-holidays-504-update/#comment-57022</guid>
					<description>I was very disappointed, too. But the main reason was, that I didn't know what to expect when. That's why I can higgly recomend to follow that link above and check the open tickets, see the direction and how they develop...
Then everybodywould understand why they said Tuesday and cannot hold it now.
From my point of view it will not be this week, maybe not next week...

They are really busy and they do very good job in checking wether their system is stable! 

i think they're not happy about not fullfilling commited dates, but I hope that they are not to frustrated about that and keep on doing a great job

Bye,
Tom</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was very disappointed, too. But the main reason was, that I didn&#8217;t know what to expect when. That&#8217;s why I can higgly recomend to follow that link above and check the open tickets, see the direction and how they develop&#8230;<br />
Then everybodywould understand why they said Tuesday and cannot hold it now.<br />
From my point of view it will not be this week, maybe not next week&#8230;</p>
<p>They are really busy and they do very good job in checking wether their system is stable! </p>
<p>i think they&#8217;re not happy about not fullfilling commited dates, but I hope that they are not to frustrated about that and keep on doing a great job</p>
<p>Bye,<br />
Tom</p>
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		<title>By: Sreenivas Kanumuru</title>
		<link>http://www.vtiger.com/blogs/2007/12/18/busy-holidays-504-update/#comment-57029</link>
		<author>Sreenivas Kanumuru</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 22:01:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.vtiger.com/blogs/2007/12/18/busy-holidays-504-update/#comment-57029</guid>
					<description>Folks, We were about to put out the release candidate today, and got into a glitch with packaging. It is set to be out tomorrow  (hopefully!).

As some of you have pointed out, there are still some open tickets including some concerning UTF-8. We believe there are still some untested aspects of UTF-8 which we have not covered during our QA. After putting out the release candidate version, we hope to receive your feedback and address any key issues  that are uncovered in the next few days. We plan to release the final version soon (i am hoping to not commit to any dates henceforth!!)

Thanks for your understanding and support.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Folks, We were about to put out the release candidate today, and got into a glitch with packaging. It is set to be out tomorrow  (hopefully!).</p>
<p>As some of you have pointed out, there are still some open tickets including some concerning UTF-8. We believe there are still some untested aspects of UTF-8 which we have not covered during our QA. After putting out the release candidate version, we hope to receive your feedback and address any key issues  that are uncovered in the next few days. We plan to release the final version soon (i am hoping to not commit to any dates henceforth!!)</p>
<p>Thanks for your understanding and support.</p>
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		<title>By: dagr (David)</title>
		<link>http://www.vtiger.com/blogs/2007/12/18/busy-holidays-504-update/#comment-57081</link>
		<author>dagr (David)</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 09:08:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.vtiger.com/blogs/2007/12/18/busy-holidays-504-update/#comment-57081</guid>
					<description>I echo Tom's sentiments. The reason the number of open active tickets goes up and down, and hence moves the release date, is just the normal reflection of a &lt;strong&gt;proper &lt;/strong&gt;software development cycle; that is, in the final phase, where 5.0.4 is now, they (re)test and (re)validate the code whenever modifications (bug fixes) have been implemented. While this adds delay, we should be heartened by the fact that the delay comes from "doing the right thing" (as opposed to just being sloppy or trying to cram in loads of last minute features). Plus, I'm sure v5.0.4 (like v5.0.3) is fixing some backbone issues that were inherited yonks ago. There will still be bugs in the release, but over the last 18 months I get the feeling there is a real drive to produce good, stable code. There is no real alternative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I echo Tom&#8217;s sentiments. The reason the number of open active tickets goes up and down, and hence moves the release date, is just the normal reflection of a <strong>proper </strong>software development cycle; that is, in the final phase, where 5.0.4 is now, they (re)test and (re)validate the code whenever modifications (bug fixes) have been implemented. While this adds delay, we should be heartened by the fact that the delay comes from &#8220;doing the right thing&#8221; (as opposed to just being sloppy or trying to cram in loads of last minute features). Plus, I&#8217;m sure v5.0.4 (like v5.0.3) is fixing some backbone issues that were inherited yonks ago. There will still be bugs in the release, but over the last 18 months I get the feeling there is a real drive to produce good, stable code. There is no real alternative.</p>
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